Pending deletion: Wikipedia - Harmonic table and Sonome

[MusicScienceGuy]

Arrgh.

The Axis-49 and Axis-64 are sonomes: sonomes use the harmonic table note=layout on the tonal array.

I set up articles on the sonome and the harmonic table (after considerable work in getting everyone to agree on what to call what).
Since there was no standard on names, there's not much mention of sonome and the harmonic table on the web, although it's now growing.

So: the Wikipedia editors (actually one guy) are proposing deletion of the articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonome_keyboard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_table_note_layout

If you can add to these articles information that makes them "notable" (evidence that someone, somewhere talked about these things even under a different name), then that would be a good thing.

Ken.

[xjscott]

OK, I posted a Strong Keep.

You've done a lot of good work maintaining these articles and it is a shame that wikieditormorons keep deleting and vandalizing your fine work.

This sort of insanity is happening all over Wikipedia, which has no credibility left because of these constant propaganda antics. Any article on a topic I am expert on contains numerous glaring errors and most attempts to correct information to reliable sources result in people who live in their parents basements and are highly ignorant watching those topics and changing them to revert to their insane view of things based on their hallucinations from heavy drug use and/or a poor diet.

[Fettman]

WTF?
These are fantastic artices
Having them up for deletion is ridiculous. Why aren't they taking their time to take care of actual problematic articles?

[MusicScienceGuy]

WTF?
These are fantastic articles
Having them up for deletion is ridiculous. Why aren't they taking their time to take care of actual problematic articles?

Thanks for the support - those articles took many hours of work, by many people, to produce and now defending these articles has used up a whole day (8 hours!) of my time, time i had budgeted for doing very useful things alternative keyboard wise.

I'd appreciate it if you, good readers, could raise a stink about this. Just because a device is new and all it's users are busy using it, instead of writing pedantic magazine articles about it, does not mean that it is not "notable".

Raise it far and wide.
Ken

[MusicScienceGuy]

I'm losing the fight. It's not a vote system, it's "consensus"-based, where the consensus is determined by the Wikipedian's rules; to quote:

If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is not a majority vote, but a discussion among Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia has policies and guidelines regarding the encyclopedia's content, and consensus is gauged based on the merits of the arguments, not by counting votes.

The deletors, being wiki-folk, will go with the opinions of the Wikipedians who have voted, and thus far we have three nays.

Either some real citations of the use of the sonome and the harmonic table have to come up real soon (which is hard, because we just got consensus on the names 4 months ago), or a few people have to somehow show them that the articles are darn useful, a concept that seems a bit alien to the Wiki mindset.

So if you can contact your local alternative instrument guru, help me look-up the sonome under the alternate names (melodic table, Triad System (a.k.a. triad array keyboard) or help in other ways - especially contacting alternate-instrument groups - their instrument could be next on the black-ball list, that would be greatly appreciated.

Ken.

[Envergure]

What sources? There's nothing yet. The most comprehensive analysis by an academic I've found was Elaine Walker's work on using the hexagonal grid for microtonal music, which isn't strictly about the sonome.

It isn't the end of the world if the page gets deleted. I'm rather cynical about just how "free" Wikipedia really is, and there's no need for everyone to get offended by them labeling things "notable" or "unnotable". In time, I expect the HT to gain acceptance. All it'll take is one really good performer to use it on stage, like how Jordan Rudess drew attention to the Haken continuum and Walter Carlos introduced us to the synthesizer. In the early 1920s, the electric guitar was every bit as fantastic an invention as the HT, but it took until after WW2 for it to get widespread recognition - accoustic pianos remained the leading rock-and-roll instrument for all those years.

[MusicScienceGuy]

I was given another - it's being used at a Bohlen-Pierce symposium. It's tough when the name has just been settled on.
I recommend that anyone who uses wikipedia reads the debate: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sonome_keyboard

You are right. It's not the end of the world. Still, it is annoying.
It's motivated me to start the move from a gets-no-respect blog, to a proper, custom-designed web site.

I'll be seeking input and full and part-time collaborators.

First Order of business: A decent name!

Suggestions? (no name too bad)

i.e.
alt.jam
sonomes-R-us
badMusiciansMadeGood
AltKeyBoards

[xjscott]

The Sonome page has now been deleted by the moronic wikitards.

Pretty absurd since there was no consensus for delete, which shows what a fascist outfit wikipedia is.

Their justification seemed to be that there were not enough references in published peer reviewed scientific journals.

This is not the criteria that is used for other wikipedia articles about famous cats, internet personalities, and the other typical fluff that wikipedia is filled with.

[MusicScienceGuy]

Lets not call anyone names. they are trying to do a job, an important one, and they do it on a volunteer basis.
Their criteria may be slightly skewed, but it happens all the time. See my blog post.
It is so very, very easy to focus on the rules or a group viewpoint and to lose sight of the needs of the customer - us.

Let's move on. There's lots to do.

Ken

[xjscott]

I'm just using an accurate descriptive label, not engaging in namecalling at all.

Oh I wanted to mention something, the final delete notice cited that it's a "new name". I think however that I've been using the term sonome for a couple years in my discussions with friends who own them. As the generic category term my understanding is has been long established, though granted perhaps some were not aware of it. That and the historical relationship between the two companies were perhaps not widely known, I had seen occasional comments on sites asking what the connection was between Opals and Axis'. But I don't think sonome is really a very new term.